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Bean: ...it is unbelievable! But we'd like --

Joss: I told them to target you guys specifically.

Kevin: Like we have any say over it! Right! We'd like to say, Joss,
it's obvious that your fans still want it, why are you quitting?

Joss: Um, I'm not quitting, I'm being fired.

Kevin: Oh, oh, that's right, I forgot.

Bean: Oh, way to walk away from it and break everyone's heart, Joss,
nice work!

Joss: Yeah, yeah.

Kevin: Tell us all about, uh, about "Angel." We really -- Bean is
not exaggerating, we have been inundated with people who are dying
to save this show from all over the world.

Joss: You know, um, unfortunately, none of them seem to work for
networks. It's odd.

Kevin: Yeah, unfortunately.

Joss: Um, you know, I -- I was shocked as hell when we got cancelled.

Kevin: You were.

Joss: Um, I thought, uh, the show -- I know the show was doing
better than it's done before, I know people were receiving it well,
we thought we were hitting our stride hugely, it's been a great
year, we've been having so much fun, and it sort of came out of the
blue.

Kevin: So, so, ratings-wise, there were no big red flags going off,
you were fine.

Joss: No, no, none.

Kevin: Huh.

Joss: But, uh, you know, the WB I think is just looking to shake up
its image, and do some stuff that's new, and we've been on for five
years, and so we didn't just quite make the cut with them.

Kevin: Wow.

Joss: And it's that simple, it's, it's, it's dollars and cents.

Kevin: What can you --

Joss: Well, not cents so much as dollars.

Kevin: Dollars, right. Yeah, exactly, they're willing to give you
the benefit of the doubt on the pennies, but not so much on the
dollars. Uh, before we, uh, before we talk about what is likely to
happen, what can y -- tell folks what the saving -- how
savingangel.org got started, if you know, and some of the things
that they've been doing in support of how much they love your show.

Joss: Well, I do know -- I don't know how exactly they got started --
I do know that one of the things they did, uh, uh, besides, uh,
hiring a truck with a billboard to drive around LA and taking out
ads in "The Hollywood Reporter" and "Variety", which is not cheap --

Kevin: Right.

Joss: -- they did organize a rally that happened, uh, on Wednesday,
outside the actual WB, um, uh, to make a -- a big ruckus in front of
the actual executives.

Kevin: That's gotta really make you feel good --

Joss: Gotta tell you, it does.

Kevin: -- about a product that you've worked so hard on.

Joss: It does. Because, uh, I was really heartbroken when they, when
they cancelled the show. We still have something to air, which, uh,
we're working on now. We're about to start shooting the -- the very
last episode.

Kevin: Right.

Joss: It's been really sort of sad, over in the offices, and knowing
that there are so many people who are sharing that with us? Is
pretty cool.

Kevin: You know, uh, w -- as you know, we've been putting in the
request for the last couple of weeks to have you on because we
really did want to talk about this, and raise awareness of it, and
we were always told by your people, "Hey, he's furiously typing this
final episode of 'Angel'", in your mind, did you write it as the
last episode of "Angel", or did you leave some room open for it to
come back?

Joss: Well, I always do both. When I come to the end of a season,
and this started from the very beginning of "Buffy", um, I always
write it to give complete closure and really cap everything I tried
to say about the series, but leave enough stuff open that, should
there be another season, um, there's plenty to do.

Kevin: Just because it's always up in the air, no matter --

Joss: Yeah.

Kevin: -- no matter what you're doing?

Joss: Yeah, the reaper always loometh.

Kevin: That sounds like it ought to be the name of the episode, by
the way. Doesn't that sound like an "Angel" title?

Joss: No, the name of the episode is, "Not Fade Away."

Kevin: "Not Fade Away."

Lisa: Oh. Well, that's good too.

Kevin: Interesting.

Bean: Nice.

Kevin: You know, it used to be in the old days, 99.9% of the time,
when a show was cancelled, that was it, there was no fighting, there
was no talking, it was outta here. Nowadays, it seems like there are
more and more examples of shows that are cancelled by one network,
and then they get picked up by somebody else, maybe they go to
cable, uh --

Bean: Uh-huh.

Kevin: Obviously, the story -- the case of the -- yeah, one of our
favorite shows, "The Family Guy" that was cancelled --

Joss: Right.

Kevin: -- and then now it's being brought back because of the DVD
sales. What are the various options available to you, and what do
you think is gonna happen, Joss?

Joss: Well, I'm not sure what's gonna happen. There's been some talk
about the idea of doing, um, TV movies or miniseries, um, uh, on a
limited basis --

Kevin: Uh-huh.

Joss: Um, we haven't really, sort of, explored that yet, we're just
trying to get this season through the ground. But, um, uh, you know,
in the case of "Buffy", it did go to another network, in the case
of "Firefly", um, you know, I've managed to turn it into a film, um -
-

Kevin: I love that about you, Joss. Here is what happens: "Firefly"
comes on the air, and it just, for s -- for whatever reasons, I
think it was on a bad night, wasn't it, uh --

Lisa: Yeah.

Bean: It was Friday nights, I remember.

Kevin: Friday nights, it just --

Joss: Possibly a bad network!

Kevin: -- it didn't catch on. And, uh, but Joss says, "You know
what? I'm gonna make it into a movie anyway, 'cause I like it, and
it's got some stuff that people haven't seen yet." So I love that
about you.

Joss: Oh, thanks. It wasn't easy, but, uh, it should be fun.

Bean: All right.

Kevin: So you could take "Angel" to another network, right?

Joss: You know, um, it's a little bit different. "Buffy" was such a
cultural phenomenon, that it -- and, and the war about it was -- got
such press, that that was kind of a no-brainer for UPN. "Angel" is
in a different situation. We have always flown a little bit more
under the radar. Um, and, uh, I think we -- it's gonna be very
difficult. I don't see it happening. I don't see another network
happening for us.

Kevin: Hmm.

Bean: Wow.

Kevin: Note to UPN: you'd be lucky to have it.

Bean: Yeah, no kidding.

Kevin: Uh, you know the --

Joss: I didn't say that!

Kevin: -- the, uh --

Joss: I went near it, but I didn't say it!

Kevin: The critics, that I, uh, that I read a lot in "Entertainment
Weekly" or in "USA Today" -- they've been extremely supportive
of "Angel". It's not just the fans, I mean, you get a lot of g -- a
lot of good critical press on the show too.

Joss: You know, I -- I didn't expect it to happen after "Buffy". I
expected the big backlash to start, but, uh, "Angel" kind of has its
own vibe, and, and critics have responded to it too. I mean,
everything about it is working just great, and these episodes that
we have coming up, I'm as proud of as anything we've done on it.
Everything is just perfect except for the fact that we're dead.

Kevin: All right, so, let me see if I can recap, then. Critics,
check. Ratings, check. Um, success, check. But it's dead.

Joss: Yeah.

Kevin: This is odd. Um, what --

Lisa: I don't know what need to do nowadays to keep a show on!

Kevin: Did they -- did they give you a reason?

Joss: There were reasons. They had to do with repeatability, and,
and, and in terms of, uh, ad revenues and the repeats, and, and
again about, you know, "Well, we have to bring in new shows, we have
to have more reality shows" -- yes, reality shows are in fact
killing the landscape of television --

Kevin: Oh, no.

Joss: -- which I didn't think they'd do --

Kevin: Wow.

Joss: -- and, um, you know, just, uh, just no place for -- for an --
an old codger like Angel. He's like, two hundred and fifty, and
that's not their demographic.

Kevin: You know, uh, we're talking to Joss Whedon here for just this
morning about his show "Angel" that is gonna be leaving us, I guess,
in May, will be the last episode, right?

Joss: Uh, that's right.

Kevin: May, right. And, uh, you do bring up a good point that we
hadn't touched on, and that is... And this happens a lot, when
you're dealing with entertainment, whether you're talking about
music or TV or movies, is that you -- it touches you, because it's
art, but on the other side of it, there are bean keepers, and, and,
and they have to make a profit, and there are a lot of shows that
end up going away, you know, because it just costs too much money to
make. It's not profitable anymore. It's not that the show is --
isn't good, it's just that they can't justify it in the bottom line
anymore, and --

Joss: Although --

Kevin: -- sometimes it sounds like that's what you get up against.

Joss: We did take a huge budget cut this year, actually cost less
this year than it did last year.

Kevin: And you said, "Uh, okay, well, we would rather not, but we
can make it work?"

Joss: We made it work.

Kevin: Wow.

Joss: For a season. Wasn't easy.

Kevin: Okay --

Joss: We spent a lot of time in that lobby.

Kevin: Okay, here's the -- here's the real question, then, Joss. Is
there anything anyone can do to help you at this point, or is it
just in the hands of -- of the suits?

Joss: You know, I think all the noise that's been made by the fans,
um, does help. Because, um, you know, we -- we're talking about
different venues for not just "Angel", but the Buffy -- Buffyverse
in general.

Kevin: Right.

Joss: You know. Spinoffs, or, if -- TV movies, or whatever it is,
uh, the more interest that's shown, um, whether or not the show
itself as it is now gets to come back, um, that registers -- that
registers with people, you know.

Kevin: Now, Bean and I are not, uh, uh, the people who can bring it
back, unfortunately --

Joss: What?

Kevin: -- if we were, we would --

Lisa: Right.

Joss: Oh --

Kevin: So -- so, Joss who --

Joss: Oh, I've misdirected my fans.

Kevin: Who should they -- who should they write to?

Joss: Um, you know, I believe, uh, Fox Studios, who produces it, um,
and, uh, you know, they should just keep writing to everybody. The
more, you know -- the WB, the other networks -- the more the
awareness of it is out there, um, the more, you know, it has a
chance at -- at finding some kind of life.

Kevin: Oh, I see.

Joss: Even though I honestly don't think it's gonna come back in its
present incarnation as the "Angel" series, um, you know, I think
there's a lot more to say about the Buffyverse in general.

Bean: So people could even write to, say, ABC, and say "Hey, by the
way, they're taking 'Angel' off, I sure would watch ABC if you were
to pick it up."

Joss: If people have the time --

Kevin: Wow.

Joss: -- they could write to everybody.

Bean: Except for -- except for Kevin and Bean.

Joss: No, mostly Kevin and Bean.

Kevin: Oh, no. There's gonna be --

Joss: Listen to the sound of my voice. Kevin and Bean are the power
behind the WB.

Kevin: We just have no control! But we have -- but we have no
control!

Joss: They are the power.

Kevin: Oh, Joss.

Joss: Joe Levin, he puts on a cowl, he lights a candle, and he prays
to them.

Bean: Joss, it's gotta be so crazy for you to wake up in a world
where "Yes, Dear" is on the air every week and you're having trouble
keeping "Angel" going.

Joss: Um, you know, uh, you know, uh, y-- did you know who's
president?

Bean: Yeah.

Joss: World's crazy, you know.

Kevin: Yeah, the world is definitely crazy. Well, uh, we're very
grateful that you, uh -- that you managed to get on the air and talk
to us about this. This has -- this is something that we have been
talking about, uh, without you, the past couple of weeks because
we're certainly aware of the groundswell, and I -- man, I hate to
see a show that people love -- not -- I mean, there are so few shows
that you can get passionate about, if you find something great,
there's gotta be a way to make it work so the fans can be happy I --

Joss: Yes.

Kevin: I really believe that. And I -- And I think you're giving
some good advice, to just to keep -- keep making noise! You know,
the old squeaky wheel, like they say.

Joss: Yup.

Kevin: All right.

Joss: 'Cause, uh, we'll -- we'll figure out something. It's -- our
stories aren't told yet --

Bean: There you go.

Joss: -- not quite yet.

Bean: There's so much more to be told.

Lisa: Yes.

Joss: Yup.

Kevin: Joss Whedon, thanks a lot.

Joss: Thank you, guys.

Kevin: Bye now.

Bean: Bye.

Joss: Bye bye.

Just something interesting: they cut to commercial right after this,
and there was a traffic report, and then they had, "Hey, this is
Sarah Michelle Gellar, and you're listening to Kevin and Bean on the
world-famous KROQ."

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